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Posted the next chapter of my story…

In the next one, the children will start being introduced.  I hope that will result in some reviews.  It’s hard to know what people like or don’t like if no one reads and reviews.;-;  I’d appreciate some feedback on the chapters, if anyone has the time.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3199684/1/Promise-of-the-Rose-Rewrite

queermactavish:

syberiawinx:

queermactavish:

pewdiepie made a rape joke about clementine, an 8 year old child, from the walking dead game a while ago and now he gets excited when he gets to physically harm a disabled child having an extreme panic attack from the same game.

if you still like him after that you seriously…

Word of caution—don’t be so quick to believe everything you hear.  Even internet celebrities get hated on unfairly.  I’m not going to act like I watch a lot of his videos, but I did see the one where he slaps Sarah.  While his reaction was technically excited, it never came off to me as enjoying slapping her the way a lot of other LPers did.

oh come oooon

he literally says before the option of convince or leave sarah “please let there be an option to b***hslap her”.

he absolutely screams his head off when he does get the option to slap sarah and calls her a slur again.

afterwards he says how grateful he was for the slap option. he didnt want there to be an option to calm sarah down or actually help her with her panic attack, he seriously just wanted to slap a disabled child.

You’re really reading too much into it, I think.  Even if there had been an option to calm her down, it wouldn’t have worked.  She was more panicked than ever as the walkers were about to burst into the room, which is why only slapping her worked.  And he also started his game over when saving Jane got Sarah killed, and it seemed pretty clear he did NOT want her to die.

Carver was going to accept Carver into the group but Sarah couldn't trim some plants. I'm not saying it's her fault but she IS a liability when they were escaping she was freaking out and caused chaos and nick and Luke were forced to go after her and nick died because they were seperated. Also clementine WAS a liability you are right but she was able to grow and become stronger but Sarah will never be able to do that. She would forever be a threat. She didnt even have any will to live.

I’m assuming you meant to say Reggie?  If so, no, he wasn’t.  It’s made pretty clear that Carver was never going to let Reggie back in, because he was weak.  Carver was just looking for an excuse to kill him off.  Had he been the one watching over Mike and Kenny, he probably would have been killed over that.

And don’t forget that Carver was the whole reason Sarah was like that in the first place.  Making her dad slap and humiliate her in front of everyone shut her down.  It’s like a phobia, and we all have some form of one.  She DOES try to do her work if you help her, but is slow, because she was also terrified of making a mistake.  This is also because of what Carver did to her and what she’s seen him do to others.

You’re seriously going to call Sarah a liability because she freaked out after seeing her dad suddenly shot and then devoured in front of her?  Even if she weren’t a teenage girl with an anxiety disorder, that’s a perfectly normal reaction.  Look up real-life instances of people caught in sudden shootings, and I’d bet the most common reactions are going into shock or panicking.  And this was her father.  Look how Lily—a grown woman with military training—reacted to her father’s sudden and brutal death.  And I’ve even seen LPers break down during Lee and Kenny’s deaths, despite the fact that the former wouldn’t have even been sudden—they’d have known about the bite for months.  And can you honestly say you’d not react the same way if one of your loved ones was suddenly gunned down in front of you?  And for Sarah, her dad was her everything.  Even before the outbreak, he was likely all she had.  Because like too many people in this fandom, society tends to see those of us with anxiety disorders as freaks or idiots or liabilities.  

How can you say Sarah couldn’t get stronger?  She was never given that chance.  No one ever bothered to teach her anything.  She tried to learn herself, such as when she asked you to teach her how to use a gun—something Lee didn’t even do until the third episode, after Chuck brought it up.  Sarah DID want to live.  But in the trailer, she was still in shock, due to her father’s death.  It had not even been a day, and she’s only a teenager.  It’s not all that unlike the reactions of a lot of other characters to losing loved ones.  During her second death, Sarah is actively trying to get free and begging for help.  How is that not wanting to live?

queermactavish:

pewdiepie made a rape joke about clementine, an 8 year old child, from the walking dead game a while ago and now he gets excited when he gets to physically harm a disabled child having an extreme panic attack from the same game.

if you still like him after that you seriously…

Word of caution—don’t be so quick to believe everything you hear.  Even internet celebrities get hated on unfairly.  I’m not going to act like I watch a lot of his videos, but I did see the one where he slaps Sarah.  While his reaction was technically excited, it never came off to me as enjoying slapping her the way a lot of other LPers did.

nomming-wolf:

syberiawinx:

syberiawinx:

nomming-wolf:

Edit because for whatever reason, it’s not showing in any of the tags. I’m really sorry to put this on you submit4nova, and it’s long, so you don’t have to read it, but if it’s no trouble, could you please bring this to Seamus’ attention? :/

I don’t know…

Yeah.  Having an anxiety disorder makes dealing with even normal life harder, but it doesn’t make you a freak, it doesn’t make you a liability, and it doesn’t make you stupid.  Sarah couldn’t help being born with an anxiety disorder and then being forced to live in a zombie apocalypse.  She DOES try to get stronger, such as by asking Clementine to teach her how to shoot.  Though she is terrified of Carver, she’ll yell at him if he hits you, even if you haven’t been nice to her.  And unlike so many other characters, including Lee and Clementine, she hasn’t actually gotten anyone killed.  People hate on her for being unresponsive, even though she lost her only living family not even a day ago.  If anyone saw a loved one just shot down like that so suddenly and then devoured, they’d start screaming and then go into shock.  That’s a natural reaction, even for someone who DOESN’T have an anxiety disorder.

See, what’s another thing that really pisses me off about the Sarah hate, and the overall idea that the ONLY way your life means anything is if you’re a big strong emotionless tank - it took a lot of guts for Sarah to stand up to Carver the way she did. After he, y’know, tortured her father and murdered one or two guys right in front of her, and/or held either Sarita or Clementine at gunpoint.

It’s really frustrating when people turn a blind eye to someone legitimately pushing themselves out of their comfort or safety zone and focuses solely on how much of an inconvenience their existence is.

It’s the same shit my family pulled with me. No matter how hard I tried to improve, no matter how much progress I made, they only ever saw me as their personal punching bag and a born liability.

Not to mention, like you said, when you have anxiety, it’s extremely difficult to stand up for yourself, or even just someone else. I shake involuntarily at conflict and I’m always terrified when I hear the sound of a cupboard slamming or something dropping onto the ground, but there was this one time that a woman wanted to hire me to watch her dog for her for a couple of days, and after seeing her abuse her dog, I tried to help her find a trainer (and offered to let her use my pay to cover it) to work with her.

Her dog was fearful and anxious (sound familiar?) and her way of handling her was to put her in a prong collar and YANK on it, and drag her by her throat and force her to be around people (which she was terrified of).

I tried so hard to help her, but instead, she got verbally abusive and tried to intimidate and bully me into abusing her dog. She shamed me for being kind and forced me to stay at her house for several hours. The first time she realized I was uncomfortable with her methods, she told me this story about how a guy came over to do work for her, and when there was an issue with the work she wanted done, instead of letting him speak, she kicked him out.

She did that to me in the end, but I stood up to her. I was embarrassed for shaking while I did, but I tried to be as diplomatic as possible about it and declined her offer to pay me in favor of getting her dog to a trainer I recommended to her. It was a huge step for me.

I still can’t stand up to my abusive family members, but that’s what my husband and I are working toward.

Nobody realizes Sarah’s strengths.  She’s not as clueless as people think.  She even calls Clem out on her attempts to lie about what her father is doing.  She TRIES to learn how to use a gun so she can take care of herself.  

The bad writing of Episode 4 only serves to make it all worse.  Luke screaming at Sarah is not going to get her moving.  He’s shown to know that in earlier episodes, but has either forgotten or just no longer cares.

Rule of Rose does a better job of portraying a weaker character, and she doesn’t even seem to have an anxiety disorder.

syberiawinx:

nomming-wolf:

Edit because for whatever reason, it’s not showing in any of the tags. I’m really sorry to put this on you submit4nova, and it’s long, so you don’t have to read it, but if it’s no trouble, could you please bring this to Seamus’ attention? :/

I don’t know…

Yeah.  Having an anxiety disorder makes dealing with even normal life harder, but it doesn’t make you a freak, it doesn’t make you a liability, and it doesn’t make you stupid.  Sarah couldn’t help being born with an anxiety disorder and then being forced to live in a zombie apocalypse.  She DOES try to get stronger, such as by asking Clementine to teach her how to shoot.  Though she is terrified of Carver, she’ll yell at him if he hits you, even if you haven’t been nice to her.  And unlike so many other characters, including Lee and Clementine, she hasn’t actually gotten anyone killed.  People hate on her for being unresponsive, even though she lost her only living family not even a day ago.  If anyone saw a loved one just shot down like that so suddenly and then devoured, they’d start screaming and then go into shock.  That’s a natural reaction, even for someone who DOESN’T have an anxiety disorder.

nomming-wolf:

Edit because for whatever reason, it’s not showing in any of the tags. I’m really sorry to put this on you submit4nova, and it’s long, so you don’t have to read it, but if it’s no trouble, could you please bring this to Seamus’ attention? :/

I don’t know if you’ll even see this, since I’m not sure you’re even on tumblr, but if any of the Creatures are reading this, and would like to pass it onto Seamus, please do.

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I second this.  Years of abuse at school and home made my anxiety disorder so much worse, and the abuse continues to this day, just largely on the internet.  I HATE how some people look at Sarah and how they treat her in “Amid the Ruins”.  

bluewalltack:

syberiawinx:

You’re not even listening.  Seems to me like you’re just trying to pick a fight.  Once more, I am NOT throwing anyone under any bus., nor even really comparing them.

How are you not comparing them

I’ve got nothing more to say to you, since you’re still clearly not listening.

bluewalltack:

syberiawinx:

bluewalltack:

syberiawinx:

syberiawinx:

…but Sarah, the girl everyone calls a “liability”, has not gotten anyone killed. And don’t try and say Reggie, because the game makes it clear Carver was going to end up killing him regardless. He was just lookin for an excuse.

Clementine, everyone’s darling, got Lee killed. If…

Did you even read my post?  It was in no way attacking Clementine, just pointing out the hypocrisy of people bashing Sarah while idolizing her.  Don’t try and twist my words.

You’re blaming Clementine for deaths that aren’t her fault and throwing her under a bus as a way of defending Sarah. Clementine is not at fault for those deaths just like Sarah isn’t at fault for any deaths either. While calling out hypocrisy you’re being a hypocrite yourself.

No, I’m not.  I’m not blaming her for most of those deaths, but you could easily argue that they are her fault.  Clementine was more of a liability to Lee’s group than Sarah has been to the current group.

The point is though that you shouldn’t even be comparing them. 

You’re not even listening.  Seems to me like you’re just trying to pick a fight.  Once more, I am NOT throwing anyone under any bus., nor even really comparing them.

bluewalltack:

syberiawinx:

syberiawinx:

…but Sarah, the girl everyone calls a “liability”, has not gotten anyone killed. And don’t try and say Reggie, because the game makes it clear Carver was going to end up killing him regardless. He was just lookin for an excuse.

Clementine, everyone’s darling, got Lee killed. If…

Did you even read my post?  It was in no way attacking Clementine, just pointing out the hypocrisy of people bashing Sarah while idolizing her.  Don’t try and twist my words.

You’re blaming Clementine for deaths that aren’t her fault and throwing her under a bus as a way of defending Sarah. Clementine is not at fault for those deaths just like Sarah isn’t at fault for any deaths either. While calling out hypocrisy you’re being a hypocrite yourself.

No, I’m not.  I’m not blaming her for most of those deaths, but you could easily argue that they are her fault.  Clementine was more of a liability to Lee’s group than Sarah has been to the current group.